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Post by eromeo on Aug 8, 2006 3:01:50 GMT 1
My two cents : I think you responded exactly how Chris James thought you would, by getting defensive. It seems that you ask for help but you consistently find ways to avoid accepting it when it's offered. You turn everything around, to make the other person the one who is "wrong" (in your mind) so you can retain your 'Poor me, nobody understands me, I'm so different" stance, and your loneliness, which is clearly self-infllicted.
You aint that different, Andrew, unless you come from another galaxy far, far away. So long as you're human, you are the same as all of us - we all want and need acceptance, friendship, understanding, love.
There's a song that reminds me of you - Desperado. Linda Ronstadt had a hit with it a long time ago. Listen to the lyrics.
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Post by andrew on Aug 8, 2006 3:25:25 GMT 1
Eromeo
I know the Desparado song via the Eagles. I thought i did have it but I do have the Johnny Cash CD with his version of that song.
My own feeling is that a mountain is being constructed here where there was only a molehill.
I am all for constructive ways of changing my consciousness. Or even distructive ways of doing that if it result in the correct change.
Clearly to improve your eyesight you have to **************************change******************* your consciousness.
Any conversation here that does not result in **********************change************ of consciousness is more or less a waste of time in the context of vision improvement.
I agree 100% that "we all want and need acceptance, friendship, understanding, love"
And I certainly dont wish to invite confrontation but rather a lively and honest discussion with a view to seeing things differently or *************changing************ my consciousness!
:-) :-) :-) :-)
cheers
Andrew
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 8, 2006 7:54:08 GMT 1
>>>>Well one identified aspect of my own vision is lack of commitment or lack of follow thru to what i believe.
If you know what the problem is, do something about it. Jump in with both feet, and thus have a sense of integrity. Otherwise, your reputation with yourself is nothing.
>>>>>>But when the vision teacher reaches to my reduced glasses and removes them from my head, against my spoken and explained desire that they do not do this, I then feel assaulted and/or manipulated. However I accept that to some degree i have cooperated in their removal by surrendering my power to them, but what exactly is the best solution here to maintain my integrity? It is my nature to cooperate but i want to do so with integrity.
Your integrity here is to allow them to help you, since that is what you have paid them to do. They are doing their job, and you are finding ways and excuses to not go along with the program you have voluntarily entered into.
Control stuff and crown chakra stuff. Stuff with authority, and various ways of being alone - isolated - even with your long distance relationship, Andrew.
You do have all the answers - you just have to commit yourself to doing what you know is the right thing for you. Keeping your word. That's what integrity is about, Andrew.
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Post by andrew on Aug 9, 2006 0:22:53 GMT 1
Thankyou for your answers Martin.
I had not been thinking of integrity along those lines but now that you mention it I do now recall having the same conversation with you before:-) So in that sense I am not *integrated* because i managed to believe i had forgotten what i now remember! At least though this time around i seem to have approached it somewhat differently?
On the subject of integrity i seem to have the habit of saying " i must do that" , but then I do not get around to it. I suppose that is my astigmatic lack of committment thinking? Had not considered it to be so until now. So thanks for highlighting that.
You mentioned that wearing glasses was similar to wearing crutches.
I think there is, or can be, an important difference. And the more people understand that important difference then i think the easier it will be for them to grasp what is necessary to improve their vision.
If you break your leg, then the consciousness that is attached to that broken leg is more or less a healthy consciousness free from distortion.
However in the case of the eye, the eye is already healthy i believe, but instead the organ of control and interpretation is unhealthy.
As we know the eye grows directly out of the brain and is more or less an extension to or part of the brain. It seems it is the brain or the mind or consciousness where the problem lies.
It seems we both agree on this. I just dont get why there needs to be an emphasis on the glasses as being part of the problem.
My brother and I for example both stopped wearing glasses absolutely for many years. I ended up with one eye worse than the other which to this day makes it problematic for me to remove my glasses as by doing so i am overly stimulating only one side of me.
Which brings me to the subject of patching. I have got remarkable insights into other peoples consciousness by patching and talking to them. The duality becomes wonderful visible for many people. It is then possible to integrate the two views.
Since your system accepts that there is a spirit view and there is a will view would it not be useful to make patching and this "voice dialogue" part of your teaching so that people could better understand and see their own dual nature?
Thanks
Andrew
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 9, 2006 7:25:19 GMT 1
If someone breaks a leg, it is also because of something happening in their consciousness - and glasses are indeed just another kind of prosthetic device, albeit one that has become fashionable.
Patching can work for some people - though it is not one of our methods. Glad that it works for you.
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Post by Maria on Aug 14, 2006 21:53:04 GMT 1
Going back a few posts... Thanks Chris James for your excellent insight!! Hope we hear more from you in the future Peace, Maria
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Post by lizzy on Aug 15, 2006 15:24:42 GMT 1
Hi Andrew, I wondered if the question "to wear glasses or not to wear glasses" might better be replaced by "to see the love or not see the love". Perhaps focus on the love rather than the vision, then improvement of the vision would be the outcome. I feel all the posts written for you here in this group are different expressions of love so you have a choice to change your perceptions if you feel affinity.
I found your comment about the relationship you are having interesting, that this lady is so far away, rather than be close to you in your space. I feel it might be quite powerful to get together with this lady and do the eye meditations together. Perhaps you have dreamt part of yourself into your reality, as we all do, I believe.
Also you have had the idea of being a vision teacher, what about a vision healer, or even a healer of the whole being, becoming more expanded, opening up your view and perceptions.
Sounds like you have a high interlect, lots of life experience and an interest in healing. By deciding that some people will love you and accepting some people may not would ease the tensions in your mind and help you feel less isolated. You can still be yourself within any group if you feel affinity to the general ethic of the group which you appear to do in this group! You can also be part of many groups holding different ethics as we are multi dimensional, unlimited, infinite beings. There is no wrong or right, just methods, paths and perceptions, all weaving together.
Lizzy. xxxxx
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Post by andrew on Aug 15, 2006 23:42:14 GMT 1
Hi Lizzy
I am interested in what you are saying.
It is also doubly helpful to talk to a person with good vision when i dont have good vision
I suppose i see vision teacher and vision healer as being the same thing. I am not sure if i am getting confused about vision and consciousness though? Seems to me that when there is a vision problem there are tensions in the consciousness, so that self talk beliefs conflicts confusions and so forth are at play so that a person is not aligned with their true nature. But i have the impression others here dont see it that way.
I feel i do have a process to improve vision if people are interested in it. More or less nobody is. Instead they tend to think that either by pumping iron or getting another person to heal them they can see better. I dont think it works that way.
You are absolutely right it is related to love. And i am open to loving and being loved and for sure i am getting better and better at expressing and receiving love.
Not quite sure what you meant about my long distance friend unless you mean i stop resisting the desire to buy a ticket to the other side of the World, set aside my projects here and have faith that by going there i will achieve something that when we were together here we kind of struggled with a bit - for various reasons - which now we have managed to get beyond.
I would like to continue this discussion, if you want to, can you contact me via the messaging function available here? Click on my name on the left and then click 'send personal message'
Looking forwards to talking to you
Andrew
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Post by queen8 on Aug 16, 2006 14:28:34 GMT 1
Hello, I hope you don't mind me entering this talk... Lizzy wrote: By deciding that some people will love you and accepting some people may not would ease the tensions in your mind and help you feel less isolated. I get confused here. Of course, what you say is right, but then Martin's "always" saying "let in the love", assuming there IS love in the depth of all of us, if our "role play" was taken away. How do these two aspects go together? I'm nearsighted and have trouble with this, maybe they're connected. I find it hard to say "my grandfather didn't love me and so I'll focus on others instead", I know he loved me and I know he hurt me, and I know that these two may seem incompatible. I find this hard when relating to new people, too. When I "sense" that there's something in this person I don't like, I'm not sure if it's okay if I shut off my contact with this person. Of course I can shut off my contact, but I can't say that he/she is "bad" or something negative, just that I choose to be with others. Do I have the right to e.g. tell my grandfather or any other man who hurts me that I don't want to see him any more? Okay, I can do it, but is it wise? Can I let in his love and still accept that the way he showed his love, was not a good way for me and therefore something I'll protect myself from experiencing again? Some questions here on my way to clarity...
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Post by lizzy on Aug 16, 2006 16:15:39 GMT 1
Hi Queen,
I feel I was refering to self-acceptance, for instance I do not have contact with my Dad. The more I became my own person, the more he reacted to me, we were not able to communicate because our perceptions are different, our love had been based on co-dependance not co-creation.
When I decided that I did not need to be a bit of a victim inorder to recieve love from him and saw that we could have a different relationship the dynamics of our bubble changed. But he found this quite difficult, even threatening to the point where he would not have me in his space.
My lesson was to learn that I was not separate from him and accepted that this was his choice and get on with my life. I see the love in him and feel it from his being but I also accept that at this moment he does not want to try and communicate or find a way that we can have a relationship he does not want to co-create.
So now I have accepted myself and accepted him, I also accept the situation. If I decided to change my life and go backwards, be ill, not cope with life be co-dependant then I would receive love from him because that is the only way he could love me at this moment in time. Clearly that is not a functioning, positive relationship, so he cannot love me in the way I would like him to.
Alot of the blockages I had were the same as my Dad so by me facing these and overcoming them brings up his stuff! I'm a bit of a strong mirror.
Lizzy.
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Post by Maria on Aug 16, 2006 19:14:41 GMT 1
Queen,
You wrote, "I get confused here. Of course, what you say is right, but then Martin's "always" saying "let in the love", assuming there IS love in the depth of all of us, if our "role play" was taken away. How do these two aspects go together?"
Yes at a our deepest level we are love...but many people do not function anywhere near that level.
I am learning to accept people where they are at this moment...accepting whatever love they have to give and allowing them to express other things too. Which is sometimes downright nasty behavior toward me.
What I do not do however, is allow that to go on in my life anymore. In other words...if you want to treat me in a way not acceptable toward me...I won't deal with you anymore. I never shut the door entirely though...always giving second, third and even one hundreth chances.
For me its all about learning to honor myself and set boundaries from that point of view. And believe me this has been a huge lesson to learn (still working on it).
And remember what Martin also says...."some people are easier to love at a distance."
Peace,
Maria
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Post by andrew on Aug 16, 2006 22:54:53 GMT 1
>>You wrote, "I get confused here. Of course, what you say is right, but then Martin's "always" saying "let in the love", assuming there IS love in the depth of all of us, if our "role play" was taken away. How do these two aspects go together?"
Maybe i am going to make an assumption here but often we can find ourselves in the following situation:
A person says to us "why the hell are you living like this? It makes no sense! This is ridiculous! You need to change your ideas if you want to get ahead! I have not brought you up just to waste your life!!! Young people today have no discipline! I am going to teach you a lesson you wont forget!!! Why on earth are you wearing those clothes? Do you think anybody is going to employ you with that kind of attitude? For heavens sake do something about your health!! "
From our point of view we might say that this is not loving us. But really it is a form of caring and desire that we be happy in our life and do what is required to be happy in our life based on the perceptions of another person who does genuinely care about what happens to us.
So love is coming our way.
The key here for there to be a relationship or to accept the love is just to be able to not be attached to some outcome that *we* require. So once we let go of the attachment we have that they are different it becomes easier to allow in the love or to see the love.
I think one of the secrets in life is to be allow in the love of the person who "is easier to love from a distance" even when they are right next to us. Naturally the more we react to them the harder it is for them not to react to us. As they become more frustrated that we dont allow in the love they become more determined that their love will be accepted.
In a manner of speaking the person not allowing the love to be received is being just as difficult and unreasonable as the person who is demanding the love be received. With a change of perception by one person the love can flow. You can be that person or you can require it be the other person
We create our reality.
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Post by queen8 on Aug 17, 2006 10:45:16 GMT 1
Thank you to all the three of you, Lizzy, Maria and Andrew, for responding to my "confused question!" I still haven't figured this out "in my body", if you see what I mean, as there are some aspects of this that have been hard to get access to (It's easier to agree to a theory than living it). I agree with what you say, but I feel what you refer to, Andrew, (people saying "harsh" things out of love) is a bit different from my own experience, which is sexual abuse. So I also need the boundaries that you talk about, MAria, and I'm not sure how to make boundaries that let in the love (If you see, there is still some incompatibility here for me!). The dependence issues struck me, Lizzy, as I think it's the power my grandfather exercised over me is the worst. I need to experience my equality to others, I think. I know we'd never have the relationship today, that we had then, as I've changed, but I still see that I enter a pattern sometimes, a pattern of dependency you might call it, or of passivity/letting someone else be the strong. And sometimes I'm the strong, others depend on me, and I feel unwell, as I don't feel the equality... In my experience everything has been viewed as "winner compared to loser" or "strong opposed to weak". But life isn't necessarily a race, so I need to change this perception. And then, looking at everyone as equals, is easy when I look at peers, but when I suddenly meet an authority that doesn't appear to me to be good, I've been back to the stron-weak pattern again... I have created at least parts of the new reality, though, so I also need to realx to let it materialize !
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Post by andrew on Aug 17, 2006 12:44:51 GMT 1
weak strong does not mean inferior superior it just determines relative strength at this point in time
I think myopes sense weakness in themselves and compensate by imagining they are powerful. Only by seeing their weakness can they recognise where they need to learn and grow and learn how to enjoyably compete where necessary in the game of life regardless of them being weak or strong. And also they need to be a winner without feeling superior or be a loser without feeling inferior.
We are equal to very few people. But so what? What counts is who we are.
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Post by queen8 on Aug 17, 2006 22:10:47 GMT 1
I definitely agree with you, Andrew! I experienced strong versus weak to equal superior versus inferior, and it's not! When I talked about equals, that's also what I meant, not two people being the same, but being NOT superior or inferior. "I think myopes sense weakness in themselves and compensate by imagining they are powerful. " To me, at this point, this seems too generalized, as I'm not sure if you have to be myope to perceive your weakness in that way. I can relate to your description personally, though. Martin talks about nearsightedness as a result of hiding inside oneself. I'm not always sure we're hiding our weaknesses, though, sometimes I believe we're just as afraid of our strengths, when we feel that these are not welcomed by or acceptable to our environment. In fact, this gives us the chance to ask ourselves "What strengths am I hiding from the world?" How do we know that what we're hiding inside is a weakness, maybe not, maybe we have hidden treasures inside, yes, I'm sure we have!!! Let's go treasure hunting!!! ! And, Andrew, may I say something that I am not sure of, I'm just wondering, so please throw it away if it doesn't fit! You have written a lot about myopes and to me it seems like you're trying to define exactly what are the characteristics of a myope and thereby defining a group. How do you feel about being part of this group? Are you proud? I'm just wondering how you would feel if you focus more on how it is to be part of the group of people whose vision is normal (like Lizzy and Martin)? Like when riding a bike, you need to focus on where you're going to keep your balance (don't look too much down at the ground or down on your feet, then you'll fall!), and keep moving forwards.
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