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Post by Spirit Girl on Aug 26, 2006 22:47:54 GMT 1
HI Andrew
I just wanted to say thanks for all your input to this discussion board. Its the more richer for your presence! I also think that if you want to teach vision healing - go for it. Don't let anyone stop you. There are plenty of people out there who are interested in healing thru their minds. Especially the people here. And you will have your own unique slant to it. I agree that consciousness is where its all at!! And that the BMS gives us accurate tools to diagnose the stress in our consciousness. But I think everyone is at a different stage of exploration of this. What's clear to me now was not even clear last week. Everybody's understanding of this or other systems is different.
peace Spirit Girl
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Post by Jess on Aug 26, 2006 23:21:54 GMT 1
I haveta clarify something here: I read the whole discussion between A & eromeo before all the edits and deletions, and eromeo never told Andrew not to try to be a 'vision teacher.' What A said was that while he was personally obsessed with his vision to the exclusion of the rest of his being, he always told others that the integreated approach worked better. He told eromeo that he felt nobody listened to him, when he tried to teach vision, and why did he continue to waste his time. Eromeo responded by suggesting that A follow his own advice, and start living the principle of integration himself, so he'd have cred when he attempted to talk about it with others. Like Martin has. Everything A said during this discussion had contradictions in it, every statement was conflicted, and eromeo, I think, was tryng to point that out when he told A that his mind was confused by the ego vs the higher power split. The ego is created by a person to separate him or her from others, and by going back to one's higher power which is sometimes thought of as God, the person's mind become whole and the concept of one-ness can be re-introduced into the person's life, healing the split.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2006 0:55:39 GMT 1
Spirit Girl
Thanks for your supportive comments.
My situation here was enormously painful for me. However i did create this reality by chosing to apparently own the label "obsessive" that was put forwards to describe me.
Obsession is a negative word. It implies a narrow detail orientated and unhealthy focus on some tiny aspect of life to the exclusion of all things that are healthy in life.
For some reason I did cheerfully go along with the label not seeing it at the time as particularly negative
I am in fact completely passionate about this project to improve my vision. And as i have said now a number of times it involves very much a transformation process.
At the end of the day this experience though painful has been a useful one.
Obsession and passion are words. Often words get confused, the vision mission involves being clear with language.
Myope for example can mean to some people that they have some terrible affliction
Alternately Myope can be seen as a gift to help you transform your life
My mum told me that "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me", so mums way of seeing things has helped form my unpleasant reality. Words most assuredly can hurt me and can hurt others too. I need to see both sides of that just as has been suggested to me.
What to do?
It is a work in progress!
Thanks again
Andrew
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Post by Spirit Girl on Aug 27, 2006 4:59:31 GMT 1
HI Andrew Its ok to be who you are and its ok to be obsessed with your vision and consciousness clearing if you want to! I am that way too. I feel I am learning a lot more about myself and others thru these exchanges. Also I know that in emails we don't often see the total picture of the other person. When we totally release the stress in our minds, we will feel freer and more at ease- our "being" will be different and we won't be obsessed. Then our eyesight will return to clarity. I think that's the order things work in. Anyway my husband just said to me '"If you just let it all go, you will be fine" Ha! Another point of view peace Spirit Girl
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Post by april on Aug 27, 2006 8:02:08 GMT 1
Hi, I am sad to hear this situation caused you pain Andrew.I read all of the posts before they got deleted and I got a bit confused,although I think I learned some things from this too.We are all learning from each other,and that's what I like in these message boards. That, and the freedom to be who we are.Even if some times we get "obsessed"!It's ok.
Obsessed can mean "too excited" about something. And although "too excited" can end up in stress,which is not that good, I see it as something that happends to all of us from time to time (it happends to me anyway), before we find a more balanced situation-where we can be more relaxed but still excited.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2006 11:46:35 GMT 1
April
I still dont know what happened on the board myself. In the end i felt i was absorbing an energy that was against my belief system or something like that. In the final analysis I had to expel if from myself to avoid destroying myself. The deletion part came about as i decided to remove my own energy from this board and bring it back to myself unaltered.
I was though pleased that although i had some very dark hours I did quite quickly begin to come back to balance. If anything i am now maybe better for this experience?? Not necessarily stronger but somehow less weak if that makes sense?
Experiencially I felt I was receiving a message along the lines of "it does not matter what you say or do, we will destroy you unless you do and say what we expect of you"
In terms of near sightedness where a persons energy retreats into themself due to peceptions that are frightening I think this experience was quite relevant. Had i absorbed the energy and not expelled it then i would maybe have become more near sighted or less real?
The unanswered question for me though is how much of this was perception by me and how much real. It seemed real to me.
Andrew
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 27, 2006 12:13:09 GMT 1
It's all perceptions, Andrew - and in this case, it was perceptions of fear. In the middle of the experience you could have retreated into yourself in order to talk to yourself in a positive way, re-assuring yourself, until you felt more confident, and no longer feeling like you were in a threatening world.
Your perceptions create your reality.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2006 12:34:36 GMT 1
Do you think it was fear of these people that provoked me to keep responding to them Martin?
To begin with i was not aware i was frightened but somehow i was provoked to keep responding. I then reached what Eromeo from his perception described as the wall of resistance and I began to get hostile to him, and shortly after that i deleted my posts and kind of sank into despair.
I seemed to get trapped in a kind of double bind situation. If i used the resistance word then i was attacked for having a problem with it because i focused on it they said. If i quoted Louise Hay on Resistance or recognised that resistance was a problem for you as a vision teacher then i got no recognition of what i said as being valid. Then finally my own "wall of resistance" could be used to further create this double bind that had no logically understandable solution other that these people were attempting to destroy me.
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 27, 2006 12:41:41 GMT 1
The resistance shows you something, and the acknowledgment of it is part of the process of improvement.
Described from the point of view that we each create our reality, you would have to say that you have had resistance to seeing something or looking at something - and finding the resistance and committing yourself to going through it might have had a positive effect.
You could have recognized that the perceived threat to your existence was simply a perception, and that there was no danger of mortality. At some point, you could have reminded yourself to trust your trip.
>>>>>or recognised that resistance was a problem for you as a vision teacher ...
I have no problem with resistance, as long as it is recognized as a part of the process, and then the person can choose to do something with it.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 27, 2006 13:04:02 GMT 1
Martin i think we both now realise that once a person recognises they are resistant then that is not really much of a problem because although resistant they are moving as we wish. The problem is when there is resistance and no movement and no recognition that it even exists. Ie absolute and total denial.
Eromeo and i both experienced each other similarly but i was learning from him but he refused to believe he could learn anything from me - dispite the commentaries he made about knowing all about teachers learning from pupils.
I found that incomprehensible. It was absolute and total denial by him :-) I think we both (now) know what that feels like do we not? :-)
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 27, 2006 15:50:42 GMT 1
Yeah, you do - but what he does or does not realize is no one's business but his, Andrew. Otherwise, you are into a control trip with him, rather than a freedom trip where you are the only one you can decide things for. The problem was that you both got accusatory, and then defensive...
I would say that both of you got a bit caught in the magic mirror.
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Post by Jess on Aug 27, 2006 20:47:41 GMT 1
I remember that the last statement A made was to the effect of, 'you're telling me I have to believe in God before I can have normal vision!?'
Again, I read all of it and at no point was eromeo attacking Andrew, that was not the tone of it to me. As you say, Martin, it's all perception.
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Post by Jess on Aug 27, 2006 23:49:47 GMT 1
I was thinking also of something from the Vision book: Martin writes that sometimes an expression of love is perceived as being love taken away. I think that's valid here, in the context of eromeo wanting to share something loving with Andrew that would help him with his life, but since it went against what A wanted to hear, it was perceived as a threat instead, an attack. It had the opposite effect.
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Post by Andrew on Aug 28, 2006 2:10:42 GMT 1
Dear Martin
Thanks very much for all your help here. I do feel i have made some progress via this experience.
The enlightening thought here is "what he does or does not realize is no one's business but his"
Similarly what "what I do or do not not realize is no one's business but mine"
I can now connect this a bit with my family experience and life experience where my perception was that others were requiring me to be like them or face the consequences.
I think i created much of the unpleasantness because I gave them the power to influence me and then resented them for it
Although at the end of the day we feel most happy with people who do have a similar belief system to ourselves, nobody is the same as us, so whatever experience i have i need to accept that whatever they believe is nobody elses business but their own.
Also i have no requirement to justify whatever i believe to another person unless i want to do that. That was something i 'knew' but it was not something that i really knew without a fearful perception it might not be true.
So, I think i am a bit closer now
Thanks once again
Andrew
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 28, 2006 6:24:18 GMT 1
Yes- everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and it sounds like you have taken a giant step towards owning your power.
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