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Post by tiptilly on Aug 6, 2007 20:36:59 GMT 1
Hi, I am just a bit curious what to think about the vision improvement workshop in Copenhagen. I've read the book Martin wrote. Actually had it in a lot of years, but never had the discipline to really work with it, or maybe it even was a lack of believe? Anyway, I live in Northern Norway and wondered if this workshop is meant for very many people or if it is in small groups. I've done the Silva course twice her in Norway and there were about 20 people, but since this one is in Copenhagen I just wondered if we are talking about 100 people or more?
Besides that, is there anyone who has been at this workshop? Some experiences would be nice. I don't even know if there is still time to join this workshop or if it is fullbooked?
With kind regard, Tilly
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Post by Angeleyes on Aug 7, 2007 11:14:57 GMT 1
Hi Tilly, I haven't been to this workshop yet but would like to go. At present I'm trying to figure out how to get the money together for it. I don't know what size the workshops are though. Did you notice any change with the Silva Method, either in your life or eyesight? And do you use the techniques often? I work with the "Improve your Vision" Book and write out a few affirmations everyday. I would like to do the course because it sounds like a holistic and nurturing environment to do it in and as fear is one of my repeat issues I though it would be valuable to have the support and experience of an instructor. So dear Universe, if it's for my highest good and highest healing at this time, show me the means to getting there, thank you. Wishing you the best of luck, Tilly. Alice
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 11, 2007 7:32:54 GMT 1
I would say that the group should be of modest size - probably no more than 25 or so - though I would also say that the size of the group really doesn't matter, since in this kind of experience people are mostly into their own inner process. It is always a really nice experience, and life-changing in a positive way.
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Post by Tilly on Aug 14, 2007 22:22:19 GMT 1
Hi! Thanks for both your answers! 25 people sounds just perfect! About using Silva, well I was very excited about all I learned there and all the possibilities it opened, but somehow I don't really get it integrated in my daily life. It is really a kind of paradox, because those few times I practice it, it just feels great. Gives me a feeling of peace, but then I just get over in my previous stressed way of being. I can't quite explain. When I worked with Martins book, it felt like my eyesight improved a little bit. But the fact that I had to take off my glasses as much as possible, stressed me a lot. Which is probably why I need glasses in the first place because I hated it not to have controll, I didn't see what happened around me. I couldn't see IF people looked at me, and if they did, HOW they looked at me. This is also a bit of a paradox, because at one side I hated the losing controll, at the other side it felt so relaxing just to take off my glasses, both physically and mentally. I hope you understand what I mean, my english feels a bit insufficient to explain it properly. Alice, I hope you find a way to take the course! Good luck Better and better! Tilly
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 15, 2007 8:07:07 GMT 1
It's best if you just do not care if people are looking at you and if so, how they are looking at you. It is that fear that is related to the nearsightedness. No matter what you do, some will applaud you and others will judge you. You get to choose who you want to be around.
Trust your trip.
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Post by reading this on Aug 15, 2007 22:46:48 GMT 1
I agree that it's best not to care whether people are looking at you and what they're thinking about you. However, this is far easier said, than done. Even if you tell yourself you don't care, you still do, on some level. It's very had to fully give up those kinds of thoughts. They don't exsst only on a conscious level, after all.
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 16, 2007 6:23:19 GMT 1
You can make your thoughts very conscious, and clearly decide to really not care. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there are always those who will applaud you, and those who will judge you. You can ideed choose to not care what others think, and just to do what makes yourself happy.
I did.
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Post by reading this on Aug 16, 2007 7:19:38 GMT 1
I agree with your idea that it can be done, with a lot of work and discipline. I have done this to some degree myself. But it's a constant process which has to be attended to. Depending on what my state of mind is when I am in public, I am less or more sensitive to what they might be thinking about me. Sometimes I am completely above it, in a really good head space, and at other times, it can bother me. Then it becomes a conscious choice to not go into contempt toward these other people, by thinking where do they get off judging me, etc.etc. . I think that's the worst thing a person can do. It works better, in my experience, to just try to get the acceptance head space back, and then what they might be thinking about me becomes meaningless again, in a healthy way.
Sometimes these things are unconscious though and buried very deep, to where it's not enough to tell yourself conscicusly that u dont care what anyone else might be thinkng about you or judging you. Unless a person is a total sociopath, he or she does care to some extent what others think, consciously and or unconsciously. So it's not that easy to do this all the time. Dont you, Martin, find yourself having days where you are more susceptible to outside thoughts? Where you have to work on it harder?
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 16, 2007 7:48:55 GMT 1
I fully accept who I am, and I really do not bother myself with those who judge me. I choose to just having nothing to do with them.
If you defend your limitations, and argue for them, you will get to keep them.
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Post by reading this on Aug 16, 2007 21:21:23 GMT 1
What happens, though, when you are in a situation where you have to deal with someone who is not accepting of you? This must happen on occasion. How do you feel, then, having to deal with such a person?
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 17, 2007 6:09:23 GMT 1
It's unfortuante that they do not see who I really am, but Ignorance is not a crime. They are seeing me through their own distorting filter from the outside, and do not yet see who I am on the inside. I do not need to convince them. They may misunderstand my motivations, my values. They may be measuring me by their standards - though I may not be living by their standards, but rather my own.
I see them with compassion, and I move on.
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Post by reading this on Aug 17, 2007 7:42:19 GMT 1
Compassion is surely better than contempt in a situation like that. It's what I end up feeling too, for these people, most of the time, these days. In the past, I used to try to convince or demonstrate to people who I was, mostly because I wanted validation. I would tell myself I was trying to enlighten them but in reality it was validation and approval I was seeking. Proving myself. WHen I didn't get the desired result from them, I would be angry at the person, and feel contempt for them sometimes. Now, I realize I was angry at myself for seeking approval and validation which was more unconscious than conscious, and I was projecting that anger and or contempt onto them. Did you do this, Martin, in the past, to any extent?
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 17, 2007 7:56:42 GMT 1
I used to seek approval, and to try to be what I thought others wanted me to be. I got sick doing that. I realized that I was killing myself doing that, and that I would never be successful trying to please everyone. No one who has lived on this planet has ever achieved that.
It's like that today with the religions of the world, and people are killing each other for not believing what they do - killing in the name of God. They see themselves as right in that. We see them as wrong. They see us as wrong for not believing the way they do. It's crazy. You have to just believe what you believe and not be concerned if others do not agree with your spiritual path, without trying to convince them.
I also realized that seeking approval was the quickest way to not get it - so I just decided to trust my trip. In fact, that's what people respect.
In the Tibetan tradition, they say that because of who you are, and who you always have been, and who you always will be, there is never ever any need for you to apologize or excuse yourself for your actions. You are guided by your Spirit.
Trust that.
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Post by Queen on Aug 17, 2007 11:43:10 GMT 1
"It's like that today with the religions of the world, and people are killing each other for not believing what they do - killing in the name of God. They see themselves as right in that. We see them as wrong. They see us as wrong for not believing the way they do. It's crazy. You have to just believe what you believe and not be concerned if others do not agree with your spiritual path, without trying to convince them." And if "your trip" (or my trip) involves living close to such people and living "your trip" means you might have to die for it, what then? You'd then have to count the cost, wouldn't you? Or decide that the world is safe for you? Or decide that fighting ignorance is why you're here (i.e. it's worth dying for)?
Just wondering...
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Post by Martin Brofman on Aug 17, 2007 15:38:25 GMT 1
...or just let them believe what they believe, and do not try to convince them otherwise.
...or decide the world is safe for you.
...or choose to not have to live close to them. You always have the choice about who you want to be around. Personally I prefer to be around those who appreciate my way of being, and I have designed my life accordingly.
...and dying for something doesn't seem to be a way to fight ignorance. You are much more useful alive in order to accomplish that. Choose to express yourself to those who are open to your ideas, and let the positive ripples spread from there.
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